fake ex muslims

Geisler responded, but was it really him?

Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:35:00 +0000

Emir Caner has been rather quiet and has only briefly come out to stand by ALL of his brothers' claims. Some of the most prominent Ergun-Defence cases presented were the two from Norman Geisler. You can see his two responses [Continue Reading]

Hypocritical and Offensive Tweets from Ergun Caner

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:45:00 +0000

For a man who is presented as an expert at presenting Christianity to Muslims, Ergun most certainly doesn’t demonstrate his “desire to save Muslims”. He is in fact, going against the explicit advice given in his own book.

In Unveiling Islam, page 223, he writes:

"We've all heard of these tales wherein a Christian, motivated to share the gospel with a certain people group or culture, negates his or her witness by somehow OFFENDING the culture, heritages of practices of that group. Although the person is well-intentioned, he or she ruins the opportunity by some oversight or misstatement and must begin again BY APOLOGIZING AND REBUIDLING TRUST”

Let’s compare his advice to his recent tweets:

So here we have him calling Muslims WIFE-BEATERS, BUS-BOMBERS, TOWEL HEADS, animal-like CAVE MEN whilst also calling Muhammad(peace be upon him) a liar and Allah, a demon. These insults are not surprising, since he is commonly known to refer to Muslims as “sand monkeys” and “sand niggers”.

This concept of insulting Muslims has even been utilised by Emir Caner, so this is not new to them. I however, want to draw emphasis to their hypocrisy. Whilst they advise people to not offend cultures, heritages and practices of Muslims, Ergun is engaging in those very acts. Will he apologise and rebuild that trust and do as his own book says? Probably not.

This also begs the question – why is there a noticeable difference between the book and the supposed authors? I am not 100% certain the Caner’s have even written the book if you ask me.

John Ankerberg and The Caner Brothers are at it again

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:10:00 +0000

It’s been a long time since I posted anything on this subject or anything for that matter, but I thought I may as well add this information in to contribute to the content of the site.

John Ankerberg is the producer and host of the televised weekly half-hour program The John Ankerberg Show. It is on this show where Ergun and Emir Caner famously gave their bogus testimonies and presented blatant lies about Islam.

After the “controversy” in 2009/2010, it was proven that Ergun Caner had LIED about his testimony of being a former Muslim. For him to lie about his testimony and get exposed for his lies about Islam, meant that the credibility of the vastly popular shows by John Ankerberg such as –

“Former Muslims Testify about Islam”,

“Islam and Jihad”,“What do Muslims believe?,

“What Islam teaches about Jesus’ Return, Armageddon,Jerusalem and the Jews” and

“Where is Islam taking the world?”

were all drawn in to question. In fact, it was from the recording of these shows where I exposed many of their lies. So essentially, these shows (which you have to PAY 40 DOLLARS EACH for from his website!) were “potentially” questionable; and so were his books that he co-authored with Emir Caner.

Any honest human would distance himself and his organisation from clear frauds in order to maintain some amount of dignity and credibility; but, what John Ankerberg did was quite astonishing. In July 2010 he posted the following message on his website:

July 2010

AN OPEN LETTER

I 'have known Ergun Caner for nearly a decade. I am disheartened by the recent attacks upon his integrity and character. I have interviewed Ergun for more than a dozen television shows and believe his personal testimony to be completely true. Otherwise, I would not have allowed him to broadcast his story to the millions of viewers that tune in to my program across the globe. Ergun and his brother, Emir, are men of God who have taken a valiant stand for the Lord, even costing them and their families their safety. For someone to attack Ergun’s selfless sacrifice, especially since they malign his character without any substantiation, is both unchristian and unbiblical. Count me among the many who will stand with Ergun Caner,knowing he stands for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Sincerely,

Dr. John F.Ankerberg

President

For more information see Ergun Caner

In addition to this ignorant post, he went out to shut down my YouTube channel. He was partially successful, as I managed to file an appeal at the risk of going to court and have re-opened. Note that the link at the bottom of his message is to the website of Norman Geisler – the man who is also close friends with Ergun Caner and would defend him even if you were to say Ergun is not bald. The “refutation”of Norman was refuted twice over by me (here and here) as it consisted of childish excuses and inaccurate information.

Here’s the shocking part – John Ankerberg, in January 2013 invited Ergun and Emir Caner back on to his show to talk about Islam!

Yes, that’s right. Here’s something even more shocking – he specifically wanted to talk to them about:

“Muslim imams (religious leaders of local mosques) in the UK now outnumber the UK’s Christian pastors”

“Why has the UK allowed the establishment of 85 Sharia councils (said to have tried some7,000 cases decided up through 2010) and five Muslim arbitration tribunals in the United Kingdom?”

“What impact is Sharia having on Great Britain and other European countries?”

“What are Christians experiencing in countries where Sharia law has become the law of theland?”

“Why is Sharia so important to Muslims?”

“What is Sharia?”

“What is it that makes Sharia so dangerous to Western society?”

We all know that neither Ergun or Emir are experts in these fields, as all they know are the classical misconceptions and lies that they have been feeding people. The striking thing about most of these subjects is that these Swedish Americans who have no expertise on Islam in Britain or positively interacted with any Muslim in the UK are being brought on as experts on ‘Islam in Britain’. Ergun was given the opportunity to debate Adnan Rashid, but totally ignored the invitation despite his apparent eagerness to debate “anybody, anywhere, anytime”.

If Ankerberg had a genuine desire to present a real understanding of Islam in the UK, he could easily have invited a UK based Islamic organisation such as IERA (Islamic Education Research Academy) as additional guests to present the Islamic viewpoint. You would never see this happen because his show and his guests want to brainwash the viewers as opposed to educate them.

For Ankerberg to justify his invitation of the Caner brothers once again, he posted a longwinded message titled “Why I invited Emir Caner and Ergun Caner to the John Ankerberg Show”. In his message, he cited the likes of Norman Geisler and classified all information about Ergun’s fraudulence as “no credible evidence”. He also refers to those who exposed Ergun (i.e. Me) as “extreme Muslims”.

Within the same message, he cites something the from the publishers of Ergun and Emir’s books. “Kregel Publications concluded that the Kregeltitles by Dr. Caner are trustworthy, factually accurate, and helpful to both Christians and seekers wanting to know more about Islamic beliefs and how those beliefs compare and contrast with biblical Christianity.” (Kregel, July 6,2010)

Can you get more bias than this? Quoting the publishers of the book that has already sold “record-breaking” numbers.... Did they honestly expect the publishers to say “Dr. Caner is not trustworthy and nothing he says is factually accurate, therefore all the books you were sold are wrong”? Clearly not.

It is fair to conclude that Ankerberg, the Caner’s and all their associated peers are peas from the same rotten pod. They wish not to educate their followers, rather they want to reaffirm the lies they have already been fed and keep them all in a state of disillusion where Muslims are to blame for everything.

If you PROCLAIM he is a LIAR then you are a GODLESS PAGAN

Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:10:00 +0000

I introduce you to Colin Pearson. Colin is a friendly Christian gentleman who is familiar with the deceit of Ergun Caner.

Recently, Ergun was speaking at the conference held at the Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa Church. According to the schedule of events, he was speaking on the "secret of Islam". Colin Pearson made the decision to attend this conference wearing a T-Shirt that exposed the stupidity of Ergun and Norman Geisler. The T-Shirt was specifically focusing on Ergun's inability to quote Ahadith properly. Ergun saw Colin wearing this shirt and this is his testimony of the events that took place:

This past Saturday morning, the second day of the Apologetics Conference at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, I attended the first session of the morning, given by Dr. Ergun Caner. Not long into the session, he said, "Some people have a problem with me…"

"I have a problem with you!" a man yelled, interrupting Dr. Caner. "You're a fraud! If you don't believe me, look it up on YouTube!"

"It's okay," Dr. Caner reassured the audience as security escorted the man out of the building. "It's okay to have stalkers; it's how you respond to them."

After the session, I went to the Fellowship Hall where the merchandise tables were set up. I thought I'd try to make my way to Dr. Caner's table and see if he would be willing to answer a few questions. I was already familiar with the accusations brought against him and his response (or lack thereof). In fact, I had a friend, who had recently started private screen printing, make a shirt for me. For the design, I borrowed the question from Dr. James White, "Please quote Hadith 2425 and explain its relevance to the Qur'an." As I stood near Dr. Caner's table, hoping to get closer. He saw my shirt and called out, "Ah! Another one of my stalkers!"

"Me?" I asked.

"Yes, you. We don't come to your conferences," he said.

"I'm sorry. What, exactly, makes me a stalker?" I asked.

"Your t-shirt," he said. "The people who made those are godless pagans! You all hate me and my ministry, and Dr. Geisler and his ministry."

"My friend made me this t-shirt," I said.

"Your friend is a godless pagan," he said.

"I asked him to make the t-shirt for me. Are you implying that I'm a godless pagan?" I asked.

He rolled his eyes and motioned to his security guards.

"Excuse me, Dr. Caner, have I done anything wrong?" I asked.

A security guard motioned to me and said, "Sir, can I talk to you over here."

"Absolutely," I said.

The security guard proceeded to tell me to calm down, to which, I responded, "Sir, I'm completely calm. Dr. Caner seems to be a little upset. He called me and my friend godless pagans. Is there a reasonable explanation for that kind of behavior?"

"I don't fully understand the situation, but right now we just need you to back off," he said.

"I'm not trying to cause problems here. What I would like is either an apology or an explanation for why I'm being called a godless pagan. He said I hate him and Dr. Geisler and their ministries. I didn't even say anything of the sort." I said.

"I don't think you're going to get an apology," he said.

I went on my way back to the sanctuary a little shaken up. The rest of the conference I was watched by security. I thought to myself the phrase that Dr. Caner had said in response to the man yelling at him, "…It's how you respond to them." He had indeed responded very appropriately to the man yelling at him. His response to me was much different. My question to him, in my mind, was, "Dr. Caner, is that how you respond to a brother in Christ who is seeking the truth?"

As you just read, Ergun was not really happy to confront his critics (something he says that is his hearts desire).

Emir Caner ACCUSES Ergun Caner of LYING about their migration

Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:35:00 +0000

For those who are aware, Ergun Caner’s claim to have moved to America from Turkey in 1978 / 79 was proven to be false. He did not move to America in 1978 and neither did he move to America from Turkey. He moved to America from Sweden in the late 1960’s whilst he was a mere tot. Until this very day, Ergun has not admitted that he lied about his date of arrival. He claims that he has never intentionally misled anyone. Therefore, according to him, what he says in the following video is 100% true:

I had previously written a full article regarding Ergun’s claim to have moved to America from Turkey in 1978.

On 25^th September 2011, Emir Caner delivered a sermon at Cresset Baptist Church in Durham, North Carolina. This is what he said in the very beginning of his sermon:

As you just heard, Emir Caner clearly stated that he and his family moved to America in 1969. This is in clear contradiction with Ergun’s claim. Indirectly, this means that Emir is accusing his own brother of lying about their migration.

If you are a fan/supporter of Ergun Caner and this single point alone is not sufficient to prove that he is a liar then you should click here.

Video CHALLENGE to Ergun Caner from Adnan Rashid

Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:00:00 +0000

The following is a video of Adnan Rashid challenging Ergun Caner to to public debate. Although a challenge was made previously in writing, a visual challenge is more effective:

If you are trying view this through your mobile device and the video is not working, please watch it here.

For Ergun Caner to respond to the challenge, he must go here. Alternatively, he could contact me through Twitter, Facebook, through the contact link of this site or through my personal email address which he has.

The Hypocrisy of Emir Caner

Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:35:00 +0000

On 25th September 2011, Emir Caner (brother of Ergun), delivered the sermon at Cresset Baptist Church in Durham, North Carolina. We must understand that Ergun and Emir Caner are supposedly experts in the field of apologetics to Islam and thus, they know the do's and don’ts when it comes to presenting their faith to Muslims. In fact, these very two brothers are the same people who sat there with John Ankerberg and told the masses that it is of great importance that one does not offend the Muslim.

However, within this recent sermon, Emir Caner, on no less than three occasions deliberately uttered words of offence directed at Muslims.

As you just heard above, Emir Caner made the following statements:

1. “I now feel like a love-child between Mr. Clean and a Saudi woman”

To understand this “joke”, we must understand the context. Emir Caner until recently, had a full head of hair and a neatly trimmed beard. Whilst keeping his beard, he now sports the traditional Ergun look of a clean-shaven head as you can see from the following images.

Before:

After:

Mr. Clean is a cleaning product invented by Mr. Linwood Burton, a marine ship cleaning businessman. The logo of this brand is what Emir Caner is referring to; as you can see, Mr. Clean is a cheery bald gentleman who likes to clean:

We now understand that Emir Caner intended to draw a similitude between his new “hairstyle” and that of Mr. Clean’s. But what does he mean when he says that he now feels “like a love-child between Mr. Clean and a Saudi woman”? The only possible “similitude” that he was alluding to was his beard. In essence, Emir is saying that Saudi women have facial hair.

2. “they wouldn’t take me real hunting, I don’t know if it was because I was a former Muslim they wouldn’t put a gun in my hand, not sure why that was”

Here we have Emir implying that Muslims cannot be trusted with guns. By saying this, he is giving in to the typical anti-Islamic media stereotype of Muslims being terrorists; after all, this is what almost all of their followers are taught. He fails to realise the epidemic proportion of gun crime in the US and instead, makes jokes about how we Muslims cannot be trusted with guns. Clearly, he intended to make a light hearted joke to soften the audience before he properly delves into the sermon, but is this kind of a joke really necessary when one seriously looks at the reality of what he is saying?

3. “how is someone whose name is Emir Fethi Caner....how do you suppose I go in to the White County Gun Shop and obtain a weapon? What am I supposed to do, go in there and say ‘i’d like a gun and maybe a pilots licence as well’?”

Similar to the former “joke”, Emir is implying that Muslims are those people who cannot be trusted with guns. To further the insult, he has a dig at the poor families who lost loved ones in the 9/11 atrocities by saying that he may as well ask for a “pilots licence as well”. Although his intention was to mock the Muslims, to “joke” about how simple it is to attain a gun and then specifically mention a pilots licence is just insensitive to say the least; particularly to those affected by the 9/11 attacks. To put it simply, he is saying that Muslims not only are not to be trusted with a gun, but also with a plane.

One may assume that I am taking these “jokes” to heart unnecessarily and yes, I do not blame one for thinking that. But one must also understand that the field within which they work (apologetics to Islam) means that the last thing they would want to do is mock us. And not only mock us with things that we Muslim legitimately believe or adhere to, but to be picking at the media generated stereotype makes it clear that they have no real desire to “save Muslims”. Do you make fun of people who you want to save?

These “jokes” yet again expose the hypocrisy of the Caner brothers and their supposed desire to save the Muslim world. Looking at chapter 16 (Inside the Muslim: Earning A Hearing And Winning A Soul) of their award winning book Unveiling Islam they go on to talk about the aspect of being “well-intentioned and offensive” when delivering the Gospel to Muslims:

“We've all heard of these tales wherein a Christian, motivated to share the gospel with a certain people group or culture, negates his or her witness by somehow OFFENDING the culture, heritages of practices of that group. Although the person is well-intentioned, he or she ruins the opportunity by some oversight or misstatement and must begin again BY APOLOGIZING AND REBUILDING TRUST” (page 223)

The extract from the book is self-explanatory. The Caner brothers do not act upon what they themselves are telling their readers. In other words, Ergun and Emir Caner are hypocrites. They talk about how if a well-intentioned preacher somehow offends the recipient, then the preacher must apologise and rebuild the trust, but, they do not demonstrate this even the slightest. This is clearly because they are not well-intentioned.

Profiteering Off of the Prophet: The Unfortunate Case of Ergun Caner

Wed, 05 Oct 2011 23:55:00 +0000

The following is a journal article taken from The Muslim World Journal. To be more precise, it is Volume 101, Issue 3, Pages 555-561, July 2011 and the name of the article is "Proﬁteering Off of the Prophet: The Unfortunate Case of Ergun Caner"

The article pretty much sums all that has happened with regards to Ergun Caner and his fake life. Although vast amounts are missing and some of the material covered within the article are a bit distorted in terms of the order in which things happened and who did what, it is still a good read.

Click here to read the PDF.

Response to some questions raised in the "hiding from the proposal" post

Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:50:00 +0000

Some allegations were made in the previous post. I have filtered through these allegations and my response is as follows. I do not expect anybody to agree with my answers and neither do I want to engage in a crossfire with the questioners. I do not have the time.

1. “Mohammed Khan, you know what you are - a stalker. You are like a hyenia - you stalk people and keep attacking them. But like a coward you never show your own face and just sit back. You probably think all this is funny too. You are a bully and a hatemonger. Leave people alone - send them an invitation, if they accept - ok. If not, get lost. You're a disgrace to humanity if I've ever seen one.”

I do not stalk people. Ergun Caner is guilty of a countless number of lies and it is my duty, when possible, to expose these lies. The questioner is under the impression that I am doing this as some kind of joke just to annoy Ergun, but that really isn’t the case. If writing responses to lies and exposing discrepancies makes me a bully and hatemonger, then yes, I am the biggest hatemonger in the world. With regards to not showing my own face, this is completely irrelevant. I do not use a fake name, my name is Mohammad Khan, I am who I say I am and everyone on my facebook knows where I studied, how old I am and the kind of person I am. What will me showing my face to people like “Richard” achieve? This is a clear example of attacking the messenger and ignoring the message. The individual should just refute what I have presented or go away.

2. “Show your own face and stop being so scared. But instead you attack people constantly, and then run and hide. You are a coward, stalker and hatemonger. Is this typical for the followers of paedophile muhammad's ideology? I assume it is.”

I am not scared of anything. If I were scared, I wouldn’t have risked having legal action taken against me to restore my YouTube channel when John Ankerberg and Liberty University tried to shut me down. The scared ones in fact are, Ergun, Norman Geisler and Ergun’s gullible supporters who fail to sit down and spend an hour or two to study what it is that I have presented. With regards to running and hiding, this is actually funny. Where have I run to? Where am I hiding? I am always available! In fact, it is Ergun who is running and hiding from answering even a single point I have raised. With regards to the remainder of “Richard’s” statement about the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), I refer him to the following videos - 1 2 3 4 and 5.

3. “Mohammad Khan just can't accept the fact that millions of people leave Islam and come to Christ. He made many clips, not just about the Caner's. But he singled out Ergun especially and has been relentlessly attacking him from behind his computer screen for years now. I find such behaviour cowardly and really just below any human decency."

This is a common allegation against me. And I have made it clear many times – I don’t care whether people leave Islam for Christianity, may Allah guide those who have been misguided on to the path of Shirk. But, when we have people like Ergun Caner who claim to have been Muslim for nearly 20 years and fall on their face when demonstrating their knowledge of Islam; the issues must be clarified. The questioner is under the impression that I am just talking nonsense about Ergun just because I can’t handle the fact that people are leaving Islam. If this were the case, how is it that I am able to compile 26 full videos that show blatant lies on behalf of Ergun? Or have I made nearly 30 videos that just go around in circles not dealing with any issues? Not forgetting to mention everything that is mentioned on the issues pages of this website. He says he finds my behaviour cowardly, but he is shooting himself in the foot when he makes such a statement. Allow me to define cowardly – cowardly is when you write books against Islam, say you are an ex Muslim, lie about Islam on stage and then refuse to speak to any Muslims. That is cowardly. Cowardly is when you don’t admit that you are a liar. Cowardly is when you tell your own Christian supporters to not invite Muslims to your events in fear of being exposed in public. So for me to be “hiding” behind a computer screen, what does this have to do with anything? If I am able to deal with this scandal from behind a computer screen then that is how I shall do it. Despite this, many people have met me in person and know what I do, it’s not like I am concealing my identity in any way, shape or form. By doing this work in my spare time, I have personally met people such as Shabir Ally and Adnan Rashid, both of whom saw me in person (obviously). My face is not important, if I were to ever meet Ergun in person, it’s not like I am going to shy away; I will happily be there.

4. "How about I'll take a picture of Mohammad or you Elvis Abdul Hakeem and then attack your for several years over the internet making clips that try their best to smear your character, family and story. Would you like that? No, I didn't think so. Well neither will anyone else. So learn some respect before you treat people like dirt and encourage such behaviour from others."

I most certainly would not like that. But this would not happen. Why? - Because I have not lied. If I had lied, then I am open to public exposure. So if the questioner can shed light on where I have lied, he should write a post as to why I am a liar. Also, this is nothing about smearing Ergun’s character. Had the questioner read the content of this site and watched the videos on YouTube he himself would realise that this is not the case. This site, along with the videos, take clips of Ergun and his brother Emir; and explains why they are either wrong, lying or making contradictory statements. That’s all. And by shedding light on these lies and contradictory statements, one will conclude that Ergun and Emir Caner are liars. It’s not about smearing their character.

5. "Now what has happened is that someone says he is an Ex-Muslim who has converted to Christianity, and has, as is his right, then criticized Islam (after all, Islam has a lot of things that can easily be criticized). Since then, Mohammad Khan has been relentlessly attacking Ergun and his family - without compassion or any kind of humanity. Sure, he doesn't agree with Ergun's views - fine, make a clip and state your opinion, I have no problem with that. But Khan has been attacking him and his family for years now - there is no boundary this person sets."

This is a wrong statement to make. Ergun Caner is not an ex Muslim as he claims. Ergun Caner was born to a Swedish mother and had a secular Muslim father who was the exact opposite as to what he described. During his early childhood, he did live with both secular parents but when he was less than 10, he lived with his non-Muslim mother who opposed Islam anyway. And it is this upbringing that explains why he does not know the fundamentals which even Muslim children would know. I have made clips and stated my opinions, so what’s the problem? The problem is that despite the evidence being so clear, people such as “Richard” refuse to accept it and resort to angry comments such as these. Not forgetting the fact that ‘til this day, Ergun does not bother to interact and explain his wrong doings. This accusation of relentless attacking is just a joke. How have I attacked him? By making videos that expose his lies? By posting articles on this site? By posting links to his supporters about his wrong doings? If that is what you call attack, then yes, I am a professional attacker. To say that I have been “attacking” him and his family for years is a huge exaggeration. Firstly, it’s not attacking – it’s publicly shedding light on a public figure’s lies. Secondly, I started this when I was 22, I am now 24 and last year I had a full years break in order to complete my university degree. So this accusation of relentless “attacking” is nothing but anger of being exposed on behalf of the questioner. Additionally, for him to say that I have no boundaries is totally wrong. If I lacked any boundaries, I would lie in order to expose to Ergun, but not once have I lied. Therefore, my boundary is a boundary of truth and integrity. If I were to lie even a single time, do you not think that his people would be on to me straight away? The fact that I have not once lied is what bothers them. They can’t refute me, not even on a single point.

6. "It's cyber bullying of an extent I have never seen before. People like Mohammad Khan should be thrown in jail - and I'm surprised he hasn't yet. He's the kind of person that would attack a schoolboy online so much until the schoolboy hangs himself. That's how far Khan would go - he really has really ZERO respect, tolerance or boundaries for others."

Cyber bullying? Does the questioner even know the meaning of bullying? Clearly not. All I am doing is taking clips of Ergun, analysing them and explaining them for people to see. And if my analysis of these clips demonstrates fraudulence on behalf of Ergun then so be it. I did not know one could be thrown in jail for exposing an evangelical fraud. I have been told I deserve an award, but here I have a person telling me I should be thrown in jail. On what charges? For breaking down audio and visual presentations of a public figure and explaining why he is wrong? And this statement of me being the kind of person that would attack a school boy to the point of suicide is outrageous. I love children, but I dislike liars. And for the record, this “attacking” and “bullying” can easily be stopped if Ergun were to drop the lying in his speeches. It’s that simple. He can continue to claim to be an ex Muslim, that’s fine. He can talk about Islam, that’s fine. But he should stop lying.

7. "Specifically, what are the lies about Islam that Mr Caner has stated?"

Please watch the entire series of these videos and explore this website in its entirety. Simple.

8. The other questions were regarding the trial of a supposed former Muslim in Iran.

I answer questions relating to Ergun Caner because that is what I know. However, in terms of the death penalty for apostasy, this is also in the Old and New Testament. I explained this to the Senior Pastor of Fairview Baptist Church. It is not my problem if Christians decide that their man made laws are superior to the laws of God. What we must understand is that the death penalty is only the last resort for an apostate. The way it is sometimes presented by Christians is as though it is Islamically sanctioned to heartlessly behead an apostate within a second of them renouncing their faith; this is not the case. If Christians say that death penalty for an apostate is wrong, then they have to agree that their scripture which says to kill apostates is also wrong.

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To conclude, I believe that what I have stated above fully answers all the questions put to me. The links provided above will require ample amounts of time to go through, so if they decide to begin commenting and arguing without hesitation, we will understand that they are not genuinely looking for answers, rather, they are looking to argue. These are my answers, they will not change, if they are unhappy with them then, that's their problem.

Hiding from the proposal of Adnan Rashid

Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:35:00 +0000

Last week, a challenge for a public dialogue was issued to Ergun Caner from Adnan Rashid. With Ergun generating a persona of a professional public debater who is willing to “debate anybody, anytime and on any topic”, it is obvious that he would accept this proposal from a well-known public speaker of iERA. But what has his response been?

1. Blocks me on Twitter

The blocking of me on Twitter actually happened before the challenge was issued, but I only realised a week or so ago when I clicked “follow”.

2. Emir Caner blocks me on Twitter

Having clicked “follow” on Emir Caner’s Twitter and posted him links to the challenge, he has blocked me.

3. Ergun's tells his supporters to ignore critics

On 22nd September 2011, Ergun told his supporters to “Block stalkers, trolls & incessant critics” after I posted links of the challenge to those who interact with him on Twitter.

Rather than giving a proper response to the challenge, Ergun is just running away. The question must be asked, why is a man of his calibre turning a blind eye to this challenge? Wouldn’t someone of his status be more than willing to confront a Muslim on a public platform? You would think so, but, evidently not.

This means that the likes of Ergun Caner are happy to just roam Churches talking about why Islam is “bad” whilst never having the desire to speak publicly with a Muslim, even though this is what he claims he does. The reason for why this is the case is clear – he will not be able to lie in the presence of Muslims.

OPEN CHALLENGE TO ERGUN CANER FROM ADNAN RASHID

Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:30:00 +0000

A few weeks ago I spoke with Adnan Rashid. Adnan Rashid is a senior researcher and lecturer for iERA (Islamic Education and Research Academy). He is a historian with a speciality in the history of Islamic civilisation, comparative religion and Hadith sciences. He also takes a keen interest in Islamic numismatics, ancient manuscripts and antiques. He has debated many high profile figures in the field of politics, history, theology and Christianity. (Yes, this was pasted from his profile page). Adnan has dialogued the likes of James White, Jay Smith and various other individuals on the subject of Islam and Christianity.

Brother Adnan has requested that I put out an open challenge on his behalf to Ergun Caner for a public dialogue on the subject of Islam and Christianity. Ergun has spent ample amounts of time speaking on the subject of Islam in Churches and on Christian television but he has never actually spoken on a public platform with a Muslim. Although it is clear that Ergun does boast to have had 48/61 debates with Muslims, there is no record of such debates to have taken place. He has written books against Islam and has been speaking against it for such a long time, whilst boasting that he is ready to debate anybody, anytime and at any place. Thus, this is an opportunity for Ergun to come out and do what he says he does best – debate.

The topic of Islam and Christianity is vast and thus a general dialogue as such would need several days; it is therefore recommended that the debate be narrowed down to a specific topic such as Qur’an or the Bible?, Is Jesus God?, The Truth about Jesus, Is Muhammad (pbuh) a true Prophet of God?, Which is The True Religion of God?, What is Jihad? Etc Unless Ergun is happy to have several debates on all topics over a period of time?

This challenge is clear, open and awaiting a response from any of Ergun’s representatives. The request for a debate has also been submitted to Ergun yesterday on his website. Additionally, a personal email regarding this matter has been sent.

Let's wait and see if Ergun can defend his representations on Islam, or will he be happy to continue brainwashing gullible Christians unchallenged?

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Message sent to organisers of forthcoming apologetics to Islam teaching seminar

Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:30:00 +0000

When Ergun got exposed for the fraud that he is, the ideal thing the Christians who supported him should have done is to not acquire him as a speaker. By doing this, they would have put the message across to him, his people and all those overlooking the scandal that they will not tolerate lying. In contrast to this, many people still call him in to speak at their Churches and seminars! I’m guessing that during the time of his exposure, he worried that he could no longer continue doing what he does because everybody would turn on him, but no, the exact opposite is happening so he probably thinks his fans are more stupid than he originally thought. And before anyone comments about using the word stupid, it is more than appropriate in this case.

From 10th to 15th October 2011, a teaching seminar has been organised by the Veritas Evangelical Seminary, which will take place at the Calvary Chapel Old Bridge teaching site. You enlarge the pictures by clicking them:

Ergun will be the teacher for this Apologetics to Islam seminar! In case you're wondering why the image above still has the "sign up" button, this is because I was blocked from accessing the event page. Apparently they don't like me posting links that prove their money making speaker is a fraud. Is the cost of the seminar shocking?:

It seems as though that the more you pay, the bigger credit you will attain?

The fact that they are acquiring Ergun to teach, even more so teaching Islam, proves that the Veritas Evangelical Seminary condones lying in spreading their religion. This kind of reminds of those people that planned to wear black in support of Ergun!

I sent a thank you message to the Seminary and Church, it’s not very well worded, it was written in a rush, but I hope it still makes sense.

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Message flagged Saturday, 17 September 2011, 16:01Message Body

To whom it may concern,

I am a Muslim wishing to thank you for arranging the Apologetics to Islam w/ Dr. Ergun Caner seminar scheduled between 10th Oct and 15th Oct 2011. The reason why I thank you is because you have hired Ergun Caner as the speaker; this man is not only a known liar to Muslims, but also to Christians. For you to be acquiring his services, you are enhancing the spread of Islam, so for this I would like to thank you also. You may be wondering, why is this the case? Here’s why – Ergun Caner has a foul mouth and teaches nothing but falsehood about our faith; quite literally, makes things up that are not Islamic at all and then has the nerve to attribute them to Islam. To people like you and your gullible followers who believe such men, you think you have attained great knowledge from a man who is an “expert” on Islam. But does arming people with lies work in the favour of Christian evangelism or the spread of Islam? The people who go to see him will be under the impression that they are ready to confront us Muslims and, when they do, we will gracefully correct them and present to them the truth and explain why people like Ergun purposely lie to them. So in essence, the more people Ergun teaches and encourages to confront us Muslims with his lies, the more opportunities you are making for us Muslims to correct them and give our dawah (invitation). And who knows? They may even embrace Islam - countless new Muslims were brought into Islam through the curiosity generated from such events. Think logically for a second – Ergun knows he is lying and knows he is arming people with lies, do you honestly think he is interested in spreading the Gospel?

If you have time, please watch this example of his lies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxaA9ls8Yz8 and browse through the rest. If you are more of a reader, then just go to http://www.fakeexmuslims.com/ and read this http://www.fakeexmuslims.com/responsestothecaners.htm.

I hope you enjoy your seminar, I know I would.

Anyway, thank you so much, once again. Keep up the good work; you are helping the spread of Islam.

Regards,

Mohammad Khan

"They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, though they hate it."

How to fake being Muslim

Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:35:00 +0000

When browsing through the site stats of fakeexmuslims.com I was welcomed with something strange. Somebody had actually searched "how to fake being muslim"! The words of the search criteria directed the visitor to this site, but that's not the point. Why would somebody want to fake being a Muslim? Maybe pretend to be a Muslim on YouTube and then suddenly make an apostasy video and moan about why Islam is bad etc? I don't know. Maybe the Google search was just someone being silly? It's possible, but still worth bringing to attention.

A couple of years ago I was welcomed with a message from a YouTube user who said he was a Muslim. He greeted me with salaam and frequently used phrases such as inshallah, mashallah and bismillah, as Muslims would. He contacted me to seek help in refuting a very well-known anti-Islamic website. He said he has been debating with them in their forum about so and so topic and he needs my help in proving them wrong. He mentioned the name of the man who he said he is trying to refute (will not mention it here, but his first name rhymes with Alley and he's a bit of a sinner *wink wink*). He would send me arguments the site had against Islam and ask how he should refute them; and all this within his "brother inshallah we can do this" and other sayings that would make him appear as Muslim (like telling me to join the forum and then "leave it Allah"). I advised him that the website he was trying to refute has no genuine interest in discussing any issues and that they just want to generate hatred towards Islam and Muslims. Moreover, the allegations of that site had been refuted several times by various people. Both being persistent - him quite literally begging me to go on that site and me advising him on how best to deal with things like that, he gave up. He then revealed himself; he began to mock me, use foul language and started calling me a coward (this is a nice way of putting it). He was not a Muslim at all. He was a fake who would troll around the YouTube accounts of Muslims pretending to be a Muslim himself and tricking people to go on to anti-Islamic sites.

Regretfully, this happened before I uploaded any of my videos and my YouTube account was just an average un-used account; thus I would delete my messages not knowing that I may need them as evidence at a later date.

In essence, this person was pretending to be a Muslim and trick real Muslims into going onto sites that encourage apostasy. Whether he was working for that website or not is something I do not know, but I wouldn't rule it out.

An explanation of the Sufi/Wahhabi issue and the reality of Ergun's mother

Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:05:00 +0000

I recently uploaded part 26 of Ergun Caner’s exposure. Within this part, I used two audio snippets - first being from the “Reaching Muslims” lecture he delivered on Friday 1st June 2007 and the second being from a radio interview conducted by Richard Land of ‘For Faith And Family Radio’ in 2008. In the former clip of 2007, we hear him telling his audience that his mother was Sufi. However, the latter of 2008, less than a year later, he is telling people that his mother was “Wahhabi”. This is clearly a contradiction and yet again, a demonstration of Ergun’s unrelenting dishonesty.

Mother was Sufi (2007)

Mother was Wahhabi (2007)

We must understand that according to Ergun and Emir Caner, the “Wahhabis” are those people that adopt the doctrine of suicide bombing. I do not plan to go into too much detail on who or what the “Wahhabis” are, not in this blog post anyway. All I can say is that they are playing off the media propagation of “Wahhabis” being terrorists; so for Ergun to say that his mother was one of these people, is he not implying that he was raised by a radical Muslim woman, which in turn, would mean that he was the same? We know this is to be totally untrue.

In fact, his brother Emir Caner, explained on February 28th 2010 that his mother married their father and then took the Shahadah. Later on, after a clash of cultures and domestic issues, they divorced and she got involved in the hippy movement. It is apparent that their marriage and relationship was not really Islamic; she just took the Shahadah in order to fulfil the requirements for her to marry a Muslim man who she met back in Sweden. An important point to note regarding the words of Emir is that he reiterates the fact that their mother was a universalist when he informed her of his conversion (supposedly 1982). This further hinders the testimony of Ergun because he persistently claimed that his mother CONVERTED FROM ISLAM IN 1991 and took off her Hijab, Niqab and divorced their father (as a result of her conversion).

To further demonstrate how UN-ISLAMIC their marriage was, allow me to take you through a little Mathematics and Biology:

Standard pregnancy = 9 months

Ergun Caner’s DOB = November 3rd 1966

Marriage of Ergun’s Father and Mother = 1st April 1966

In simple terms, Ergun Caner was born only 7 months after his parents got married. No comment....

NEW VIDEO: Ergun Caner lies about his own mother (Wahhabi or Sufi?)

Sat, 10 Sep 2011 15:00:00 +0000

Within this part I show how Ergun contradicts himself when describing his mother. In a recording of 2007 he states that his mother was a Sufi, but then later in 2008 he says that she was a "Wahhabi". These are two complete opposites, but for some reason Ergun Michael Caner feels the need to twist and change his story when it suits him and his flock. He has no hesitation in lying. Furthermore, the video explains that his mother actually took the Shahadah in order for her to marry his secular Muslim father. All evidence regarding this matter will be published in a forthcoming blog post.